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02/10/2014 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY


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01:37:28 PM SB64
02:59:10 PM Adjourn
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             SB  64-OMNIBUS CRIME/CORRECTIONS BILL                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COGHILL announced the consideration  of SB 64. He asked for                                                               
a motion  to adopt the  proposed work draft  committee substitute                                                               
(CS).                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:38:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON  moved to adopt work  draft CS for Senate  Bill 64,                                                               
labeled 28-LS0116\E, as the working document.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL announced  that without  objection, Version  E was                                                               
before  the committee.  He  asked Mr.  Shilling  to describe  the                                                               
summary of changes and where they're found in the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:38:55 PM                                                                                                                    
JORDAN SHILLING,  Staff, Senator Coghill, explained  that the new                                                               
Version E  completely removes  two aspects  of the  former draft,                                                               
Version G.  These are  the fiscal  analysis requirement  that was                                                               
found in  Section 22  and the limited  license found  in Sections                                                               
22-25 and Sections 27-28.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said  Version E also  has additions. The first  three sections                                                               
incorporate  the amendment  that  Senator Wielechowski  described                                                               
during the last meeting.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  added  that  the  title  of  that  amendment  was                                                               
custodial interference in the first degree.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHILLING explained that this  addition is designed to close a                                                               
loophole that currently exists for attempted child abduction.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  offered  his understanding  that  this  addresses                                                               
attempted child abduction in the first and second degree.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHILLING  explained   that  it  is  a   crime  of  custodial                                                               
interference  in the  second  degree if  a  relative attempts  to                                                               
remove  a child  for a  protracted  period, but  the law  doesn't                                                               
address  a non-relative  that tries  to do  the same  thing. This                                                               
addition closes that loophole.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The next large change is found  in Sections 4-18 that address the                                                               
felony  theft  thresholds.  The   previous  draft  increased  the                                                               
threshold from $500 to $1,000 and Version E reduces it to $750.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  noted  that  he's been  trying  to  increase  the                                                               
threshold  for eight  years, and  this is  an effort  to maintain                                                               
momentum.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:41:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI joined the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHILLING said the next  significant change occurs in the 24/7                                                               
sobriety statutes  found in Section  19. Concern was  voiced that                                                               
the  previous draft  applied  24/7 pretrial  too  broadly and  it                                                               
could  possibly  infringe  on  privacy.  Version  E  attempts  to                                                               
address  that  concern  by specifying  which  classifications  of                                                               
crime for  which a person  could be  put on 24/7  pretrial. These                                                               
crimes include  unclassified felonies,  class A  felonies, sexual                                                               
felonies,  and   a  misdemeanor  or  felony   involving  domestic                                                               
violence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  next substantive  change is  to the  Nygren credit  found in                                                               
Section 22. The previous draft  said that employment was the only                                                               
reason  a  person could  leave  a  treatment facility  and  still                                                               
receive  credit  for  time  served. Version  E  expands  that  to                                                               
include   vocational   training   and   community   volunteering.                                                               
Subparagraph  (D)  on  lines 13-17  has  additional  language  to                                                               
clarify that  the leave is  for rehabilitative  purposes directly                                                               
related to the  person's treatment plan and that  the director of                                                               
the treatment program has oversight.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Sections 26 and  27 are new sections that allow  the Parole Board                                                               
to  place parolees  in the  PACE program.  With this  change, the                                                               
program could include both probationers and parolees.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section 28 removes from paragraph  (7) the provision requiring an                                                               
annual report to the legislature.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 29 changes the requirements  for a program to qualify for                                                               
a  grant from  the  new recidivism  reduction  grant program  and                                                               
fund. These  changes are found  on page 18, lines  1-6. Paragraph                                                               
(3) previously specified that the  program had to provide on-site                                                               
residential treatment  for substance abuse. Not  many programs in                                                               
the  state  would  meet  that requirement  so  Version  E  allows                                                               
referrals  for treatment  outside the  reentry center.  Paragraph                                                               
(4)  previously  said  the  program   had  to  require  full-time                                                               
employment.  Version  E  adds vocational  training  or  community                                                               
volunteer work that is approved  by the director of the treatment                                                               
program. Paragraph (5)  previously limited residential placements                                                               
in  the program  to 150  days.  Providers indicated  this is  too                                                               
short for successful reentry and  Version E limits the placements                                                               
to a maximum of one year.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Sections  30 and  31  make  two changes  to  the Alaska  Criminal                                                               
Justice  Commission.   The  first   change  clarifies   that  the                                                               
legislators on the commission are  ex officio, nonvoting members.                                                               
The  second change  provides a  seat  on the  commission for  the                                                               
public defender.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL opened public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:46 PM                                                                                                                    
QUINLAN STEINER  Director, Public Defender Agency,  Department of                                                               
Administration (DOA), said  he had two comments to  offer and the                                                               
first relates to  the so called Nygren credit in  Section 22. The                                                               
concern is that  the current draft appears to  expand the ability                                                               
to obtain  treatment opportunities  and also receive  credit, but                                                               
it  may  not  do  that.   Paragraph  (C)  provides  a  procedural                                                               
improvement for  getting credit for  employment and  an expansion                                                               
for vocational  training, but  work could  have been  approved in                                                               
the previous  version. It just had  to be approved by  the court.                                                               
He  said  this is  an  improvement,  but it  doesn't  necessarily                                                               
expand treatment significantly.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER  said his  primary  concern  is that,  as  currently                                                               
drafted, paragraph  (D) will exclude  entire programs  because of                                                               
the possibility  that sometime during the  program somebody could                                                               
obtain  a  pass  that  doesn't fit  the  definition.  The  phrase                                                               
"rehabilitative   purpose  directly   related  to   the  person's                                                               
treatment plan"  may be read  to require some  approved treatment                                                               
plan by the court rather than  simply a treatment model, which is                                                               
what  most  programs  follow.  This   subsection  also  adds  the                                                               
requirement  that the  pass be  approved by  the director  of the                                                               
treatment program,  but that may  not be the person  who approves                                                               
passes.  Treatment programs  don't  tend to  change their  models                                                               
simply to fit statutory requirements,  so this requirement may be                                                               
exclusionary.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER   summarized  that  while  there   has  been  intent                                                               
expressed  to  expand  treatment  opportunities,  the  unintended                                                               
consequence of Version E is that it will not.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COGHILL said  the purpose is to ensure that  if a person is                                                               
to  get credit,  the pass  must be  tied to  their treatment.  He                                                               
requested suggestions for improved language.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER  said   the  language  in  the   previous  draft  is                                                               
preferable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL explained  that he  was trying  to give  credit to                                                               
somebody who gets bonafide help  in their treatment while they're                                                               
required  to be  under custody.  He  asked if  removing the  word                                                               
"plan" would help.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER agreed that would help.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked if he agrees  with the basic concept that the                                                               
purpose is to give these people,  who are supposed to be in jail,                                                               
a reason to have treatment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  said he agrees with  the concept but drawing  it too                                                               
narrowly eliminates  any benefit  from the changes.  Removing the                                                               
term  "plan" would  help  because  it takes  out  the  idea of  a                                                               
written   treatment  plan,   but  what   hasn't  been   addressed                                                               
explicitly on the  record is reintegration into  the community as                                                               
part of  treatment. For  example, a person  could get  credit for                                                               
attending an  AA or NA  meeting, but  it's not clear  if spending                                                               
time out  in the community  with a  senior member of  the program                                                               
would  qualify even  if it's  part of  the treatment.  Without an                                                               
explicit  statement or  rewording  the  language, that  situation                                                               
might  not  receive  credit.  He  highlighted  that  because  the                                                               
program  is  evaluated  and  not  the  person's  conduct  in  the                                                               
program,  the  entire program  is  excluded  by barring  what  is                                                               
referred to as the buddy pass.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  said  the  intention is  to  ensure  that  direct                                                               
supervision  is credible.  He said  his view  is that  the phrase                                                               
"both time  and purpose by  the director"  has to be  inserted to                                                               
make  sure  that  the  person   receives  jail  time  credit  for                                                               
employment,  vocational training,  or community  volunteer. These                                                               
are given credibility  by the director of  the treatment program,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  STEINER said  he believes  that when  somebody is  allowed a                                                               
pass,  it  is  part  of  the program  that  is  approved  by  the                                                               
director. The  concern is that it  might not be the  director who                                                               
actually  stamps  "approved"  on  the   pass;  it  might  be  the                                                               
caseworker and that would exclude  the program. He suggested that                                                               
it would alleviate  the problem if these requirements  were in an                                                               
earlier  subsection  so  that  the  defendant's  conduct  in  the                                                               
program or the  restrictions on the defendant  could be evaluated                                                               
rather than the program itself.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  the following  would  ease  his                                                               
concerns: 1)  page 12, line  15, delete  "plan" 2) page  12, line                                                               
17,  delete "by  the director  of the  treatment program"  and 3)                                                               
state on  the record that  the intent is that  reintegration into                                                               
society does count towards Nygren credit.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER  agreed  that those  would  be  clear  improvements,                                                               
although there would still be the  question of whether or not the                                                               
program itself  is evaluated or  how the defendant is  treated in                                                               
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  stated his intention  to pose the question  to the                                                               
Department of Law.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER noted  that he submitted language  to accomplish what                                                               
he  suggested, which  is  to  move paragraphs  (1)  and (2)  from                                                               
subsection (c) to subsection (b).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said  his intention is to find a  solution and move                                                               
the bill on Wednesday.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:01:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. STEINER said his second  comment relates to the new paragraph                                                               
(2) regarding custodial  interference on page 2.  The language in                                                               
paragraph (2) mimics  paragraph (1) in terms of  the conduct that                                                               
is  criminalized. However,  in paragraph  (1)  the word  "entice"                                                               
relates to  a specific intent  and in  paragraph (2) there  is no                                                               
intentional conduct that's  articulated and criminalized. Because                                                               
there  isn't  a specific  definition,  it's  ambiguous and  could                                                               
create some problems.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI suggested  the  solution is  to remove  the                                                               
words "entice, or".                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER also  pointed out  that his  previous comments  with                                                               
regard to the  use of the word "director" also  apply to page 18,                                                               
line 4. This relates to adding PACE  to parole, and it may not be                                                               
the director of the treatment program who issues the approval.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  asked if  it  would  work  to simply  delete  the                                                               
reference to the director.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER said yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked  Ms. Carpeneti if he  clearly articulated the                                                               
intention  with regard  to the  Nygren  credit. That  is that  if                                                               
somebody is  receiving credit  for time served,  there has  to be                                                               
real value for the treatment.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:54 PM                                                                                                                    
ANNE  CARPENETI, Assistant  Attorney General,  Criminal Division,                                                               
Legal Services  Section, Department of Law  (DOL), Juneau, Alaska                                                               
said  the  concern  was  clearly   articulated.  With  regard  to                                                               
concern, She also agreed with  Mr. Steiner's suggestion to remove                                                               
the term "by the director" from page 12, line 17.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL noted  that  the other  suggestion  was to  remove                                                               
"plan" from page 12, line 15.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI said that too makes sense.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  there wasn't  also an  issue with                                                               
the use of the word "program" on page 12, line 17.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI replied  this is  about treatment  programs so  it                                                               
makes  sense to  leave it  there.  With regard  to Mr.  Steiner's                                                               
suggestion to move paragraphs (1)  and (2) from subsection (c) to                                                               
subsection  (b), she  said she  would be  prepared to  comment on                                                               
Wednesday.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said  he likes Mr. Steiner's  idea about separating                                                               
the program  and the conduct  of the  person. The other  issue is                                                               
whether or not  a statement on the record  about reintegration is                                                               
sufficient, he said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI  expressed  concern with  Mr.  Steiner's  comments                                                               
about  reintegration. This  is talking  about getting  credit for                                                               
time in  jail and  it's too easy  to say  "reintegration" because                                                               
that may be a  two day weekend pass with a  buddy, she said. That                                                               
may be  helpful for  the person,  but that  shouldn't necessarily                                                               
count for credit  for time served. Using  the term "reintegration                                                               
time" is very  broad and would cover periods that  are nothing at                                                               
all like incarceration.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL said  this issue  should  be brought  up again  to                                                               
clarify  the  intent.  He  asked if  there  would  be  sufficient                                                               
accountability if  the word  "director" was  removed on  page 18,                                                               
line 4.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI  said   she  didn't  have  a   concern  with  that                                                               
suggestion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said he was open to the discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:10:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  Ms.   Carpeneti  her  view  of  the                                                               
suggestion in Section  2 to remove the term "entice,  or" on page                                                               
2, line 17.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI  said she didn't see  a problem, but she'd  give it                                                               
more thought.  She offered additional  comments on Version  E. On                                                               
page 14, line  7, she suggested replacing "and" with  "or" so the                                                               
reference  would  be  to   "controlled  substances  or  alcoholic                                                               
beverages."  She also  pointed  out  that on  page  14, line  13,                                                               
"notice by the next business day"  would not be a 24/7 program it                                                               
would be a 24/4 program.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:13:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COGHILL asked Colonel Butler  to discuss the success of the                                                               
24/7 program  in Montana, and  the importance of  law enforcement                                                               
responding on the same day.                                                                                                     
2:13:20 PM                                                                                                                    
COLONEL  TOM  BUTLER,  Montana   Highway  Patrol,  described  his                                                               
involvement  in  the  24/7  program  in  Montana,  including  the                                                               
implementation  of   the  SCRAM   and  similar   devices  because                                                               
geography limits the ability to  do twice daily breath testing in                                                               
some  places.  He  said  the  data  from  North  Dakota  and  the                                                               
anecdotal data  from Montana illustrates that  twice daily breath                                                               
testing is  best if it's  available. He acknowledged  that Alaska                                                               
may have some  of the same geographic limitations  as Montana and                                                               
that using SCRAM  and other devices is better  than doing nothing                                                               
at all.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL asked  if it's  been successful  for things  other                                                               
than drinking and driving.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL BUTLER said  the provisions of 24/7  were expanded during                                                               
the last  legislative session  to any crime  where alcohol  was a                                                               
nexus and the  penalty for the crime was 6  months or longer. The                                                               
primary target was partner or  family member assault when alcohol                                                               
was a  factor. The Montana  data hasn't been analyzed,  but North                                                               
Dakota has excellent  statistics and he expects the  same sort of                                                               
results in Montana.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL noted that SB 64  also includes the use of the 24/7                                                               
program for the more serious crimes involving alcohol.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL BUTLER said initially he  was generally suspicious of the                                                               
24/7  program, but  he's learned  that  jailing your  way out  of                                                               
alcohol   problems  isn't   the   answer.   He  highlighted   the                                                               
psychological impact  of being reminded  of your crime  by having                                                               
to show up  twice a day to  blow into a Breathalyzer.  He said he                                                               
believes that's the  cause of the benefits that  South Dakota has                                                               
seen.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL noted  that SB  64 has  the requirement  for twice                                                               
daily testing when practicable. It  also applies if the person is                                                               
charged with  an alcohol-related or substance  abuse offense that                                                               
is an  unclassified felony, class  A felony, sexual felony,  or a                                                               
crime of domestic violence.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL  BUTLER  commented  that  this addresses  the  subset  of                                                               
people that can't handle alcohol.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:25:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COGHILL  returned attention to page  14, subsections (g)(1)                                                               
and (2), and  asked Ms. Carpeneti if they  provide flexibility or                                                               
nullify one another.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI said she believes  that paragraphs (1) and (2) work                                                               
together so that both apply to a person.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked if the requirement  to file should be in both                                                               
sections.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI said DOL's point  is that it shouldn't be difficult                                                               
to  get notice  to the  person within  24 hours,  because it's  a                                                               
matter of a telephone call or FAX.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  asked the  Department of  Corrections to  speak to                                                               
the matter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:28:18 PM                                                                                                                    
RON  TAYLOR,  Deputy   Commissioner,  Department  of  Corrections                                                               
(DOC),  Anchorage Alaska,  said  he  understands Ms.  Carpeneti's                                                               
concern  and DOC  would recommend  changing the  language to  say                                                               
"notice as soon as possible."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  said that  could be ambiguous  and stretch  into a                                                               
couple of business days.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENETI   expressed  concern   with  the   suggestion  and                                                               
recommended including the phrase "within 24 hours."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:29:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COGHILL asked if it should  say "within 24 hours unless not                                                               
practical."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI replied within 24  hours is practical for everybody                                                               
in this age; that's what makes it a 24/7 program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She continued  to offer comments on  the bill. She noted  that on                                                               
page 14, lines  22-23, the current version  removes paragraph (C)                                                               
that  included any  other violations.  Ms. Gutierrez  recommended                                                               
this  because  those  violations  often  require  an  evidentiary                                                               
hearing. Ms. Carpeneti  said it would be important to  say on the                                                               
record  that  the other  violations  of  conditions of  probation                                                               
would be handled the way they are now.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR said that's correct.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  said the  idea was  to ensure  that the  swift and                                                               
certain action didn't get delayed because of scheduling issues.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI asked if the risks and needs assessments described                                                                
on page 17, lines 17-18, apply to people serving sentences on                                                                   
ankle monitors and at home.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR confirmed the risk and needs assessments would be                                                                    
done on people serving sentences on ankle monitors and at home.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL noted that Senator Dyson had an amendment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:34:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON moved to adopt Amendment 1, labeled 28-                                                                           
LS0116\G.11.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL objected for discussion purposes                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                      
          TO:  CSSB 64(JUD), Draft Version "E"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, following "beverages;":                                                                                 
               Insert "relating to waiver of jurisdiction                                                                     
     in juvenile cases;"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
     Page 21, following line 20:                                                                                                
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
        "* Sec. 31. AS 47.12.030(a) is amended to read:                                                                       
               (a)  When a minor who was at least 16 years of                                                                   
          age  at  the   time  of  the  offense   is  charged  by                                                               
          complaint, information,  or indictment with  an offense                                                               
          specified  in  this  subsection,   and,  when  after  a                                                           
          hearing    and    consideration    of    the    minor's                                                           
          individualized  risk assessment,  the court  determines                                                           
          that the minor is not  amenable to treatment under this                                                           
          chapter, this chapter and  the Alaska Delinquency Rules                                                           
          do  not apply  to the  offense for  which the  minor is                                                               
          charged or  to any  additional offenses joinable  to it                                                               
          under the applicable rules  of court governing criminal                                                               
          procedure. The  minor shall be charged,  held, released                                                               
          on  bail, prosecuted,  sentenced,  and incarcerated  in                                                               
          the same manner as an  adult. If the minor is convicted                                                               
          of an offense  other than an offense  specified in this                                                               
          subsection,  the  minor  may  attempt to  prove,  by  a                                                               
          preponderance  of  the  evidence,  that  the  minor  is                                                               
          amenable to treatment under this  chapter. If the court                                                               
          finds  that the  minor is  amenable to  treatment under                                                               
          this chapter, the minor shall  be treated as though the                                                               
          charges  had been  heard under  this  chapter, and  the                                                               
          court shall  order disposition of the  charges of which                                                               
          the  minor  is  convicted  under  AS 47.12.120(b).  The                                                               
          provisions of  this subsection apply when  the minor is                                                               
          charged by  complaint, information, or  indictment with                                                               
          an offense                                                                                                            
                    (1)  that is an unclassified felony or a                                                                    
          class  A felony  and the  felony is  a crime  against a                                                               
          person;                                                                                                               
                    (2)  of arson in the first degree;                                                                          
                    (3)  that is a class B felony and the felony                                                                
          is  a crime  against a  person  in which  the minor  is                                                               
          alleged to have used a  deadly weapon in the commission                                                               
          of   the  offense   and   the   minor  was   previously                                                               
          adjudicated as  a delinquent or convicted  as an adult,                                                               
          in  this or  another jurisdiction,  as a  result of  an                                                               
          offense that  involved use  of a  deadly weapon  in the                                                               
          commission of  a crime against  a person or  an offense                                                               
          in another  jurisdiction having  elements substantially                                                               
          identical to  those of  a crime  against a  person, and                                                               
          the  previous offense  was punishable  as a  felony; in                                                               
          this paragraph,  "deadly weapon" has the  meaning given                                                               
          in AS 11.81.900(b); or                                                                                                
                    (4)  that is misconduct involving weapons in                                                                
          the first degree under                                                                                                
                         (A)  AS 11.61.190(a)(1); or                                                                            
                         (B)      AS 11.61.190(a)(2)   when   the                                                               
               firearm   was   discharged   under   circumstances                                                               
               manifesting substantial and unjustifiable risk of                                                                
               physical injury to a person.                                                                                     
       * Sec. 32. AS 47.12.030 is amended by adding a new                                                                     
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
                    (d)  For purposes of making a determination                                                                 
               under this section, the standard  of proof is by a                                                               
               preponderance of  the evidence, and the  burden of                                                               
               proof  that the  minor  is  amenable to  treatment                                                             
              under this chapter is on the minor."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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          this Act, and AS 47.12.030(d), as enacted by sec. 32                                                                  
          of this Act,"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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2:35:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHUCK KOPP,  Staff, Senator Fred  Dyson, sponsor of  Amendment 1,                                                               
labeled 28-LS0116\G.11,  explained that this  introduces judicial                                                               
determination and oversight  into the auto waiver  section of the                                                               
juvenile justice statute  as it pertains to  16 and 17-year-olds.                                                               
A  judge would  have discretion  to  determine, based  on a  risk                                                               
needs assessment  and a preponderance  of the  evidence presented                                                               
by  the juvenile,  that he/she  is amenable  to treatment  in the                                                               
juvenile justice system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked  if a preponderance of the evidence  is a new                                                               
standard.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP answered  no; this is the same standard  that is applied                                                               
when  a  minor  is  waived  into  the  adult  system  for  having                                                               
committed  an auto  waiver offense.  It's  a consistent  standard                                                               
that's used throughout the statute.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON asked  Mr. Kopp to discuss what happens  to a 16 or                                                               
17-year-old who is put in adult prison.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPP explained  that the  minor  is isolated  from the  main                                                               
population  and  has  limited  opportunity  during  the  day  for                                                               
activities  like  exercise.  In  that type  of  environment,  the                                                               
degradation of the minor's behavior  over time is significant, he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said he has more  sympathy for the victims who have                                                               
suffered the effects  of a heinous crime; they may  not feel that                                                               
justice is being  done if the minor is not  waived into the adult                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON observed  that the idea of  retribution is contrary                                                               
to this  nation's sense of  justice. The public certainly  has to                                                               
be protected, but hopefully there  can also be reparation for the                                                               
youth  who  committed the  crime.  That's  the goal  of  juvenile                                                               
court.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL commented that justice  and rehabilitation are both                                                               
part of the correctional system.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:43:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CRIS PROVOST,  representing himself,  Anchorage, Alaska,  said he                                                               
retired from  the Office  of Public Advocacy  last June  and most                                                               
recently worked  in the child  advocacy section. He  described SB
64 as  an ideal vehicle  for the proposed amendment  because they                                                               
have the  same goals. The  amendment provides in the  auto waiver                                                               
statute the option of asking the  superior court for a hearing so                                                               
the 16  or 17-year-old can  present his/her case. The  judge will                                                               
then decide if the juvenile should  be auto waived as an adult or                                                               
if the  juvenile has  proved by a  preponderance of  the evidence                                                               
that he/she  is amenable to treatment  by age 20 in  the juvenile                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL summarized that it  looks as though the judge would                                                               
still have the  flexibility to waive the juvenile  into the adult                                                               
system if  he/she finds  by a preponderance  of the  evidence the                                                               
need to do that. He asked if  that's because of the nature of the                                                               
crime  and  a  review  of   the  juvenile  based  on  their  risk                                                               
assessment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PROVOST  clarified that  this is the  auto waiver  statute so                                                               
the juvenile  is charged as an  adult and they're taken  to jail,                                                               
not a  juvenile facility. It's  up to  the juvenile to  request a                                                               
hearing  before the  superior court,  and the  judge will  make a                                                               
determination whether the  juvenile stays in the  adult system or                                                               
is  dealt with  by the  juvenile justice  system. In  2011, there                                                               
were 25 states that had this provision, he said.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said his expectation  is that this would become the                                                               
norm.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:48:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PROVOST  agreed  it  would  be  the  norm  for  unclassified                                                               
felonies, but  some juveniles facing less  serious felonies don't                                                               
want  to  be  in  the   juvenile  justice  system.  He  said  the                                                               
statistics show that in the last  five years, 9.5 youths per year                                                               
have been auto waived.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked  if a juvenile who  successfully petitions to                                                               
remain in the juvenile system  would have his/her crime dismissed                                                               
once he/she comes of age.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PROVOST  explained that  the  trial  on  the merits  of  the                                                               
criminal  charges  will  come   after  the  discretionary  waiver                                                               
hearing. If  the minor  is reverse  waived into  juvenile justice                                                               
jurisdiction,  he/she will  be  adjudicated  delinquent based  on                                                               
those charges, but there won't be an adult conviction.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked him to  expand on the  explanation of                                                               
how the process is handled now.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PROVOST explained  that the  prosecution is  the gatekeeper,                                                               
and DOL sometimes  uses discretion and decides not  to auto waive                                                               
a child; a judge has no say in the matter.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if it's  fair to say that  this would                                                               
change  the current  system  where the  prosecutor  has the  sole                                                               
discretion to a system where the judge has the discretion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PROVOST  said yes,  although the  law really  doesn't provide                                                               
discretion. It says a child who  is charged with this crime shall                                                               
be treated  as an adult.  That's what happens if  the prosecution                                                               
strictly  follows the  law. Amendment  1 does  provide discretion                                                               
for  a judge  to  decide  whether it's  appropriate  to keep  the                                                               
juvenile in  the adult system  or move back to  juvenile justice.                                                               
The  models are  different: the  adult model  provides punishment                                                               
and the juvenile model provides restorative justice.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  why this is an  important change from                                                               
a policy standpoint.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PROVOST  said the  recidivism rate for  adults is  70 percent                                                               
and  the  recidivism  rate  for juveniles  that  go  through  the                                                               
juvenile justice treatment  program varies but right  now it's 37                                                               
percent. Juveniles  who are auto  waivered into the  adult system                                                               
will   recidivate  more   quickly,  more   seriously,  and   more                                                               
frequently than  similarly situated juveniles who  are treated in                                                               
the  juvenile justice  system. Auto  waiving  juveniles into  the                                                               
adult system doesn't make society safer.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  thanked Mr.  Provost and asked  Mr. Steiner  if he                                                               
had anything to add.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:53:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. STEINER said  the data he's seen shows  that recidivism rates                                                               
are  lower  for juveniles  who  are  handled under  the  juvenile                                                               
system  versus  juveniles  who  are  handled  through  the  adult                                                               
system.  He  agreed  with  Mr.   Provost  that  the  lower  level                                                               
offenders that are  handled in the adult system  under the waiver                                                               
statute  get  out   of  prison  without  getting   the  level  of                                                               
programing that  is appropriate for  their needs. He  offered his                                                               
expectation that  this amendment  will enhance public  safety and                                                               
reduced recidivism.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  said the  waiver  statute, although  changed, is  essentially                                                               
intact in the sense that  these individuals will still be charged                                                               
as adults  in adult court. The  juvenile will have to  prove by a                                                               
preponderance  of  the  evidence  that  he/she  can  rehabilitate                                                               
him/herself by  majority age.  This is  a significant  burden and                                                               
what will practically happen is  that the juveniles who committed                                                               
the very highest level of  offenses with the most violent conduct                                                               
will  likely   not  be  able   to  establish  their   ability  to                                                               
rehabilitate themselves in a short period of time                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked how that would be established.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER explained that the  facts of the case, the juvenile's                                                               
history,   and  psychological   assessments   are  evaluated   to                                                               
determine whether or  not it's possible to  formulate a treatment                                                               
program that would allow the  juvenile to be rehabilitated by the                                                               
time he/she comes  of age. With the more brutal  homicide and sex                                                               
assault cases that's  not an easy thing  to establish, especially                                                               
when the timeframe is just a  couple of years. In these cases the                                                               
juvenile  is generally  unlikely to  prevail. But  for the  lower                                                               
level crimes, the  juvenile is more likely to get  a finding that                                                               
will  keep him/her  in the  juvenile  system. He  said he  thinks                                                               
that's  why  the recidivism  rates  are  so much  lower,  because                                                               
similarly situated juveniles are not  dealing with the same level                                                               
of violent conduct as the unclassified felonies.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:58:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   COGHILL  observed   that  the   committee  is   generally                                                               
supportive of  Amendment 1 and  it fits  within the scope  of the                                                               
bill, but he would hold it until the next meeting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SB 64 was held in committee.                                                                                                    

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